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	<title>Comments on: UK unemployment offices carry adverts for jobs in the sex industry: Wrong or Right?</title>
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		<title>By: shahzad durrani</title>
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		<dc:creator>shahzad durrani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>any body give me a job plz</description>
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		<title>By: nuwan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nuwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like to join</description>
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		<title>By: laura agustin</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura agustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Snowdrop. I've done lots of research about licenced sex establishments in the UK, but the greyness on this point about 'legality' of escort agencies is now clarified, I think. Someone said the other day that to advertise in a Jobcentre, an employer has to be 'registered', have a landline, have a bank account and supply an address. Of course such an employer could be a sweatshop or gangmaster or anything else.

About harassment, yes of course, winning such cases are hard enough without the accusation being that one 'asked for it' by working in the sex industry. The question that always comes up, though, is whether new, special, irritating, unsubtle, unfair laws need to be drawn up to cover sex jobs as though they were inherently different always, to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Snowdrop. I&#8217;ve done lots of research about licenced sex establishments in the UK, but the greyness on this point about &#8216;legality&#8217; of escort agencies is now clarified, I think. Someone said the other day that to advertise in a Jobcentre, an employer has to be &#8216;registered&#8217;, have a landline, have a bank account and supply an address. Of course such an employer could be a sweatshop or gangmaster or anything else.</p>
<p>About harassment, yes of course, winning such cases are hard enough without the accusation being that one &#8216;asked for it&#8217; by working in the sex industry. The question that always comes up, though, is whether new, special, irritating, unsubtle, unfair laws need to be drawn up to cover sex jobs as though they were inherently different always, to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: SnowdropExplodes</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowdropExplodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

As someone who is currently unemployed in the UK, i think I can answer some of the points here.

Firstly, escort agencies are legal inasmuch as they provide a companion for a public event - literally just an &lt;i&gt;escort&lt;/i&gt; service, as opposed to a euphemism for callgirl services.   In the UK, if any prostitution happens, then that is not provided by the agency, but would be negotiated between the individual escort and her (or his) client.   If that happens, then it would be illegal, but I think people turn a blind eye.

Secondly, if a person is unemployed in the UK, in order to continue receiving benefits (i.e. "Job Seekers Allowance", and any other benefits dependent upon that, e.g. housing benefit), a person must apply for any job that he or she is able to do.   However, adult entertainment positions are exempt from this, and on any such advert in the Jobcentre, it is clearly displayed that you do not have to apply for them.   Personally, being quite open about sex and sexuality, I have tended to apply for those for which I'm qualified (by physique, skills and temperament) to do (these have included an attendant at a gay massage parlour and shop assistant at a kinky sex shop).

Finally, yes the regulations against sexual harassment do cover sex work establishments, but in general I think that there is protection from public attitudes towards sex work: i.e. "what did you expect if you go to work at such places?" - meaning that getting any kind of court decision in your favour would be hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>As someone who is currently unemployed in the UK, i think I can answer some of the points here.</p>
<p>Firstly, escort agencies are legal inasmuch as they provide a companion for a public event - literally just an <i>escort</i> service, as opposed to a euphemism for callgirl services.   In the UK, if any prostitution happens, then that is not provided by the agency, but would be negotiated between the individual escort and her (or his) client.   If that happens, then it would be illegal, but I think people turn a blind eye.</p>
<p>Secondly, if a person is unemployed in the UK, in order to continue receiving benefits (i.e. &#8220;Job Seekers Allowance&#8221;, and any other benefits dependent upon that, e.g. housing benefit), a person must apply for any job that he or she is able to do.   However, adult entertainment positions are exempt from this, and on any such advert in the Jobcentre, it is clearly displayed that you do not have to apply for them.   Personally, being quite open about sex and sexuality, I have tended to apply for those for which I&#8217;m qualified (by physique, skills and temperament) to do (these have included an attendant at a gay massage parlour and shop assistant at a kinky sex shop).</p>
<p>Finally, yes the regulations against sexual harassment do cover sex work establishments, but in general I think that there is protection from public attitudes towards sex work: i.e. &#8220;what did you expect if you go to work at such places?&#8221; - meaning that getting any kind of court decision in your favour would be hard.</p>
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		<title>By: Feminist Carnival of Sexual Freedom &#38; Autonomy #15 - Sugarbutch Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/uk-unemployment-offices-carry-adverts-for-jobs-in-the-sex-industry-wrong-or-right#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminist Carnival of Sexual Freedom &#38; Autonomy #15 - Sugarbutch Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Border Thinking on Migration and Trafficking: Culture, Economy, and Sex: Only 10% of alleged trafficking cases in the US confirmed and UK unemployment offices carryadverts for jobs in the sex industry: Wrong or Right? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Border Thinking on Migration and Trafficking: Culture, Economy, and Sex: Only 10% of alleged trafficking cases in the US confirmed and UK unemployment offices carryadverts for jobs in the sex industry: Wrong or Right? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Hammond</title>
		<link>http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/uk-unemployment-offices-carry-adverts-for-jobs-in-the-sex-industry-wrong-or-right#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Laura, sorry I should have realised you knew about the background before I responded elsewhere.

I think the consultation has to be seen in the light of general UK Government moves against the sex industry. Deputy PM Harriet Harman has been actively campaigning to get newspapers to drop ads for escort services in their columns, and the Newspaper Society has come out with a code of practice against these adverts after Government pressure. At the same time, the Government is carrying ads for vacancies in the JobCentres through the Ann Summers ruling.

This is all supposedly to combat trafficking. Its actual effect is, of course, if anything the reverse: it reduces the inflow of voluntary escorts and therefore improves the market for those supplying involuntary escorts.

S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Laura, sorry I should have realised you knew about the background before I responded elsewhere.</p>
<p>I think the consultation has to be seen in the light of general UK Government moves against the sex industry. Deputy PM Harriet Harman has been actively campaigning to get newspapers to drop ads for escort services in their columns, and the Newspaper Society has come out with a code of practice against these adverts after Government pressure. At the same time, the Government is carrying ads for vacancies in the JobCentres through the Ann Summers ruling.</p>
<p>This is all supposedly to combat trafficking. Its actual effect is, of course, if anything the reverse: it reduces the inflow of voluntary escorts and therefore improves the market for those supplying involuntary escorts.</p>
<p>S</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Agustin</title>
		<link>http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/uk-unemployment-offices-carry-adverts-for-jobs-in-the-sex-industry-wrong-or-right#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Agustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much, Chris, for engaging with this. Because of the diversity within the sex industry and beyond, I proposed a separate field called the Cultural Study of Commercial Sex, which you can read about at in the original Sexualities article at http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-industry-cultures-not-just-sex-work-or-violence-or-prostitution-or-women-or-trafficking-or-rights

and in the special edition called the same http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-tourism-stripping-rentboys-brothels-courtesans-pornography-escorts-and-solidarity-what-more-could-you-ask

But my question for you here is more specific. I say in the post that the jobs advertised are in legal sectors. In the UK escort agencies are not legal. How is it then that they can advertise in Jobcentres? This particular area is not grey, as I understand the law. Tolerated, but not grey.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much, Chris, for engaging with this. Because of the diversity within the sex industry and beyond, I proposed a separate field called the Cultural Study of Commercial Sex, which you can read about at in the original Sexualities article at <a href="http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-industry-cultures-not-just-sex-work-or-violence-or-prostitution-or-women-or-trafficking-or-rights" rel="nofollow">http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-industry-cultures-not-just-sex-work-or-violence-or-prostitution-or-women-or-trafficking-or-rights</a></p>
<p>and in the special edition called the same <a href="http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-tourism-stripping-rentboys-brothels-courtesans-pornography-escorts-and-solidarity-what-more-could-you-ask" rel="nofollow">http://www.nodo50.org/Laura_Agustin/sex-tourism-stripping-rentboys-brothels-courtesans-pornography-escorts-and-solidarity-what-more-could-you-ask</a></p>
<p>But my question for you here is more specific. I say in the post that the jobs advertised are in legal sectors. In the UK escort agencies are not legal. How is it then that they can advertise in Jobcentres? This particular area is not grey, as I understand the law. Tolerated, but not grey.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laura- following your comment on my blog I thought I'd comment here.  It's an interesting post and highlights just how diverse the so called 'sex industry' actually is.  Where do we draw the line?  Escorting is itself complicated.  I did a survey of Gaydar male escorts last year which is going to be published in the Journal of Criminal Law later this year and whilst Is et out to survey 'escorts' I found that was a bit more complciated - what about those who masterbate on cam?  Those that simply strip but don't do anything 'sexual', those that offer semen stained or just 'used' underwear.  This area is vast.  Prostitution is not illegal under English law per se so escorting is something of a grey area legally.  Many of these other roles are also less than straightforward.  Lets take the Ann Summers example.  OK, so you're selling a vibrator?  How is that different from selling a car or working in a supermarket?  

The only time when I can see law intervening in such adverts is the deeply theoretical situation in which the adverts were explicit.  In such situations you could argue they are obscene.  Beyond that I don't see any role for law here.  If anything, in the current recession people may become a little more open minded about such activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laura- following your comment on my blog I thought I&#8217;d comment here.  It&#8217;s an interesting post and highlights just how diverse the so called &#8217;sex industry&#8217; actually is.  Where do we draw the line?  Escorting is itself complicated.  I did a survey of Gaydar male escorts last year which is going to be published in the Journal of Criminal Law later this year and whilst Is et out to survey &#8216;escorts&#8217; I found that was a bit more complciated - what about those who masterbate on cam?  Those that simply strip but don&#8217;t do anything &#8217;sexual&#8217;, those that offer semen stained or just &#8216;used&#8217; underwear.  This area is vast.  Prostitution is not illegal under English law per se so escorting is something of a grey area legally.  Many of these other roles are also less than straightforward.  Lets take the Ann Summers example.  OK, so you&#8217;re selling a vibrator?  How is that different from selling a car or working in a supermarket?  </p>
<p>The only time when I can see law intervening in such adverts is the deeply theoretical situation in which the adverts were explicit.  In such situations you could argue they are obscene.  Beyond that I don&#8217;t see any role for law here.  If anything, in the current recession people may become a little more open minded about such activities.</p>
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